Marco Werman: The Lenin statue in Kiev it is kind of surprising it is still there in post Soviet Ukraine at all, then again there Lenin statues in all sorts of places around the globe and Professor of Wlad Godzich at the University of California at Santa Cruz knows where most of them are.
Wlad Godzich: You can find them all over the world, most obviously in Russia and particularly in Moscow there are over 80 of them still standing. What is surprising about the Ukraine is that Dr. ?? has taken a number of them down including the one this weekend it has also built 2 and 1 in the past six years so it is bucking the trend. Now if you want some other ones there is one in a casino in Las Vegas and one in a casino in Atlantic City. My favorite one is in front of the Kremlin Market in Belfast, it is a bar and they are very proud of having the statue in front of them there. In the suburb of Seattle they have a huge one that they imported from Slovakia which they dress up usually in let's say some masochistic clothing or long dresses on so on in the time of the Gay Pride Parades. So there is a kind of a kitchieness with some of these. The present time I think of them as the equivalent to putting on a Che Guevara T-shirt under a tuxedo to go to a formal dinner. But you also find some that are still left over from the commitment of the communism ideology in Vietnam for example you find like that. In France there is one in front of the Communist Headquarters in the city of Montpelier and you find some in Bulgaria but I think they are going to take them down. The rest of Eastern Europe they have just been knocked down instantly.
Werman: What are some of his different poses and what do they represent , there is obviously a famous one pointing looking often to the future. How else has he been depicted?
Godzich: The most common one is to show him as a thoughtful man of the busts that are used in front of Communist Party Headquarters generally and another pose that is generally quite the opposite of the one he is pointing is to could depict him with his arm behind his back and just standing as if he had no direction to show but rather was addressing the people in a very matter of fact way. So that's not Lenin the leader but rather Lenin the eminent permanence of the revolution among people. And that is a very important thing, that is when these statues were being proliferated the idea was where ever you would turn there will be Lenin with you but Lennon was not transcendental but eminent to the world. That is why they put him in coal mines, they but him in lakes, put him in rivers, on mountain tops everywhere. It was equivalent to an eminent God that was so you can look at him in this way and in that position he was not a leader of the revolution pointing to the future but just rather with his hands behind his back. The inspector of reality
Werman: Right, you just listed such a crazy mix of places where you could find Lennon statues and I suppose what it means to the people where they lived depending on where we are talking about. But is there a common thread today that connects all these disperate countries in places where you find Lennon statues, for the people who look at Lennon and what he means to them?
Godzich: I think by in large people ignore them including in the places where there are still very large statues. It is like the inhabitant of Rio De Janero, they do see this huge statue of Christ on the hill looking at the bay and most of the time they don't talk about it unless you draw there attention to it well it is time he took a plunge and you have the same kind of attitude towards the Lenin statues. I think that on some occasions with the anniversary of the revolution you do have people who have a certain kind of nostalgia for the old order and these are mostly people who are retired or heroes or are connected with all of their medals. They look at Lenin as an indication of the history and the continuity of the country in one of which they played a heroic role.
Werman: Wlad Godzich a professor of the university of California Santa Cruz Thank you. Thanks very much.
Godzich: you are very welcome.
Werman: We have mapped the locations of many of the famous Lennon statues in case you need to find one check that out at PRI.ORG